Comments on: Shahrukh and I are related http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/ Expressions Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:00:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Waqas Arshad Janjua http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-40956 Waqas Arshad Janjua Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:43:30 +0000 http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-40956 Hello dear all JANJUAS, I belongs to janjua family ov matore, son ov ARSHAD MEHMOOD JANJUA & grand son CAPT FAZAL DAD KHAN JANJUA & decendent of DADA PEER KALA.. Hello dear all JANJUAS,

I belongs to janjua family ov matore, son ov ARSHAD MEHMOOD JANJUA & grand son CAPT FAZAL DAD KHAN JANJUA & decendent of DADA PEER KALA..

]]> By: Sheer e Janjua http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-39895 Sheer e Janjua Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:59:05 +0000 http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-39895 Ajit Pal Singh ji, thank you for your input. Unfortunately, your clan is alleged to have been named Pathani after conquering Pathankot, which apparently became the capital of the Nurpur Pathanias? Not sure where the Kabul connection came from. Incidentally Janjuas once ruled from Kabul to most of Punjab... As for one of our ancestors being forced to convert, it has been cited that he was a convert to Sufi Islam (Jammu-Kashmir-Ladakh by Parvez Dewan, Manas Publications, 2004, p422) by many sources (Gulshan-e-Mohyali) both of which are external non Janjua publications. The fact that this occurred in an era where no Muslim Rulers exercised overlordship on, nor could they be offered monetary tax exemptions or benefits (such as were available during Mughal days) makes one appreciate the selflessness of the converts embrace of this faith of selfless love and spirituality. In truth, this conversion didn't cement the conversion of the entire clan, and one can never prove anything 800years on. But what is interesting is the inference you make that a proud Rajput is not "allowed" to make a decision to embrace another faith he sees virtue in. I deduce Rajputs to be brave people, brave enough to appreciate a faith that enriched the culture of Hind through the divine Sufi missionaries who illuminated the lives of the poor and guided those who needed it. I am proud my ancestors saw past the petty peer pressures and stubborn loyalties to a faith that itself encourages spiritual growth (ie Hinduism) and accepted the Sufi call to Islam. History is evident that we Janjua were no less warlike after our conversions, we were more so! Infact, despite being co religionists with the Delhi Sultanate, we were always at war with them, to the extent their court writers (Amir Khusro no less) wrote poems eulogising how the "Delhi Badshah's made the blood flow of Janjua that boats may glide in it". My ancestors waged bloody rebellions with Muslim kings, not Islam. They embraced it and synthesised it within their own Rajput culture/tradition. We are not less with Islam, but MUCH MUCH more. Fact is, Islam for us is an amazing and great religion which we are very proud of and which has showed us, that if our kasab are neech, then we are neech. Even a Dalit (untouchable) deserves the respect of a human being and is our brother in Islam or our equal in humanity. We chose to take this bold step. Your clan evidently did not (infact, Pathanias are a sub branch of Tomars, of which many converted to Islam). We took on our communities petty peer pressure which always criticised people who left their faith, even in instances where the Rajputs converted out of genuine sheer conviction (please read Rulers of India, Lord Lawrence and the Reconstruction of India Under The Crown by Sir Charles Aitcheson, K.C.S.I., M.A., LL.D., Clarendon Press 1897,V p117). So then is it weakness to convert, or actually is it courage that is required to break away from caste bonds, community resentment and peer pressure? I say courage. No grudges or personal enmity here. Ajit Pal Singh ji, thank you for your input. Unfortunately, your clan is alleged to have been named Pathani after conquering Pathankot, which apparently became the capital of the Nurpur Pathanias? Not sure where the Kabul connection came from. Incidentally Janjuas once ruled from Kabul to most of Punjab…

As for one of our ancestors being forced to convert, it has been cited that he was a convert to Sufi Islam (Jammu-Kashmir-Ladakh by Parvez Dewan, Manas Publications, 2004, p422) by many sources (Gulshan-e-Mohyali) both of which are external non Janjua publications. The fact that this occurred in an era where no Muslim Rulers exercised overlordship on, nor could they be offered monetary tax exemptions or benefits (such as were available during Mughal days) makes one appreciate the selflessness of the converts embrace of this faith of selfless love and spirituality.

In truth, this conversion didn’t cement the conversion of the entire clan, and one can never prove anything 800years on. But what is interesting is the inference you make that a proud Rajput is not “allowed” to make a decision to embrace another faith he sees virtue in. I deduce Rajputs to be brave people, brave enough to appreciate a faith that enriched the culture of Hind through the divine Sufi missionaries who illuminated the lives of the poor and guided those who needed it. I am proud my ancestors saw past the petty peer pressures and stubborn loyalties to a faith that itself encourages spiritual growth (ie Hinduism) and accepted the Sufi call to Islam. History is evident that we Janjua were no less warlike after our conversions, we were more so!
Infact, despite being co religionists with the Delhi Sultanate, we were always at war with them, to the extent their court writers (Amir Khusro no less) wrote poems eulogising how the “Delhi Badshah’s made the blood flow of Janjua that boats may glide in it”. My ancestors waged bloody rebellions with Muslim kings, not Islam. They embraced it and synthesised it within their own Rajput culture/tradition. We are not less with Islam, but MUCH MUCH more. Fact is, Islam for us is an amazing and great religion which we are very proud of and which has showed us, that if our kasab are neech, then we are neech. Even a Dalit (untouchable) deserves the respect of a human being and is our brother in Islam or our equal in humanity. We chose to take this bold step. Your clan evidently did not (infact, Pathanias are a sub branch of Tomars, of which many converted to Islam).
We took on our communities petty peer pressure which always criticised people who left their faith, even in instances where the Rajputs converted out of genuine sheer conviction (please read Rulers of India, Lord Lawrence and the Reconstruction of India Under The Crown by Sir Charles Aitcheson, K.C.S.I., M.A., LL.D., Clarendon Press 1897,V p117). So then is it weakness to convert, or actually is it courage that is required to break away from caste bonds, community resentment and peer pressure? I say courage.

No grudges or personal enmity here.

]]> By: Sheer e Janjua http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-39894 Sheer e Janjua Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:29:32 +0000 http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-39894 Ramesh, please dont apologise bro, no offence taken. There was a user on another site who had a similar name to yours I guess and it really bugged me why he would make a generalisation on another persons faith. Indian culture is so rich, and the areas of migration bringing dufferent dynamics to ones identity is an intriguing study, and I would encourage you to read this up. But be very careful with colonial works because they are very biased and with a negative slant towards people. Ultimately they were written by racists and supremacists. Good luck in future with your research bro Ramesh, please dont apologise bro, no offence taken. There was a user on another site who had a similar name to yours I guess and it really bugged me why he would make a generalisation on another persons faith.

Indian culture is so rich, and the areas of migration bringing dufferent dynamics to ones identity is an intriguing study, and I would encourage you to read this up. But be very careful with colonial works because they are very biased and with a negative slant towards people. Ultimately they were written by racists and supremacists.

Good luck in future with your research bro

]]> By: Vivek http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-37878 Vivek Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:37:33 +0000 http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-37878 Its nice to know that SRK has sooooooooo many relatives.... Well I just wanted to offer u all somethin.... I own Maj General Shahnawaz Khan's autographs, personally given to a family member of mine. Now after seeing all of u so devoted to Janjua clan I guess u would luv to own a piece of yor own history, rite ?? well mail me at mr.vivekjoshi@gmail.com for yor offers Its nice to know that SRK has sooooooooo many relatives…. Well I just wanted to offer u all somethin…. I own Maj General Shahnawaz Khan’s autographs, personally given to a family member of mine. Now after seeing all of u so devoted to Janjua clan I guess u would luv to own a piece of yor own history, rite ?? well mail me at mr.vivekjoshi@gmail.com for yor offers

]]> By: Ajit Pal Singh Pathania http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-37702 Ajit Pal Singh Pathania Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:52:20 +0000 http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-37702 Dear Kaptan Rsja Fahad Parvez Janjua saab, Aap baat baat par itni garmi kyon khate hain. I'm also a Rajput. From ''Pathania'' clan . Earlier it was ''Tomar'' but after vanquishing Pathans thrice in war at Kabul, ''Akbar'' gave the ''Khitab'' of ''Pathania''way back in 1645 A.D. This clan is centralised in District Hoshiarpur, Punjab (India). My point of butting in you great warriors ''Janjuas'' is this only that you need acknowledge the fact that Muslim religion was imposed on one of your Raja (Mal Khan) & he was a hindu. No body has converted to Muslim religion voluntarily (Check over the net). So, the valour, courage & the greatness of ''Janjua'' clan comes under great suspicion. Had your forefathers were so great then why did the give up there religion. We ''Pathanias'' never got converted. Please comment!! without getting hurt or personal grudges. We are just discussing it no offence to anyone. Dear Kaptan Rsja Fahad Parvez Janjua saab, Aap baat baat par itni garmi kyon khate hain. I’m also a Rajput. From ”Pathania” clan . Earlier it was ”Tomar” but after vanquishing Pathans thrice in war at Kabul, ”Akbar” gave the ”Khitab” of ”Pathania”way back in 1645 A.D. This clan is centralised in District Hoshiarpur, Punjab (India). My point of butting in you great warriors ”Janjuas” is this only that you need acknowledge the fact that Muslim religion was imposed on one of your Raja (Mal Khan) & he was a hindu. No body has converted to Muslim religion voluntarily (Check over the net). So, the valour, courage & the greatness of ”Janjua” clan comes under great suspicion. Had your forefathers were so great then why did the give up there religion. We ”Pathanias” never got converted. Please comment!! without getting hurt or personal grudges. We are just discussing it no offence to anyone.

]]> By: ramesh rohilla http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-22366 ramesh rohilla Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:08:55 +0000 http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-22366 Hi Sheer e Janjua, I thank you for you valued comments and appologise for being so late in responding.I donot know much, for sure,about us Hindu Rohillas.My comments are purely based on what I gather from various sources.it pleases me to know that the communal bull doesnt get in between the Janjuas. you may have seen on the Wiki link that there are a separate rohilla people who are Hindus.There isa book 'History of Rohilla rajputs' by Dr.K.C.sen.It was published somewhere in 1960s.The book is available on the net.It says we Hindu Rohillas have migrated from Roh region of Afghanistan.Thats why I conjectured that we may be related to the Pakhtunes.Incidently,I recently learnt from a Pakhtune on Orkut that they, the Pahktunes,have an admixture of many a Hindu tribes who later became Muslims. There is a region called Rohilkhand in India.In documented history,it was ruled by a Muslim Rohilla dynesty.Will you not agree with me that it couldnt have been established by Muslim Rohillas when Ahmed"s established place is Ahmedabad and not Ahmedkhand? Moreover the word Khand is a pure Sanskrit word meaning 'part'.My point here is that it was established by hindu Rohillas,most ,rather almost all of whome, embaraced Islam.It is well documented that these Muslim Rohillas had migrated from Roh in Afghanistan.This made me 'assume' that I am a part of this community. I donot remember having mentioned anywhere that most Rohillas didnot convert to Islam 'rightly so'.If I have,I ve sinned cause I am no one to decide what faith other ppl follow. I sincerely thank you for your comments and shall take em into reckoning in my understanding of the history of my ppl.I hope you will keep posting whatever you know on the topic. @Capt Rsja Fahad Parvez Janjua will you plz clarify what is it that the Indians donot accept?Who are you refering to as the undoubted janjua? Hi Sheer e Janjua,
I thank you for you valued comments and appologise for being so late in responding.I donot know much, for sure,about us Hindu Rohillas.My comments are purely based on what I gather from various sources.it pleases me to know that the communal bull doesnt get in between the Janjuas.
you may have seen on the Wiki link that there are a separate rohilla people who are Hindus.There isa book ‘History of Rohilla rajputs’ by Dr.K.C.sen.It was published somewhere in 1960s.The book is available on the net.It says we Hindu Rohillas have migrated from Roh region of Afghanistan.Thats why I conjectured that we may be related to the Pakhtunes.Incidently,I recently learnt from a Pakhtune on Orkut that they, the Pahktunes,have an admixture of many a Hindu tribes who later became Muslims.
There is a region called Rohilkhand in India.In documented history,it was ruled by a Muslim Rohilla dynesty.Will you not agree with me that it couldnt have been established by Muslim Rohillas when Ahmed”s established place is Ahmedabad and not Ahmedkhand? Moreover the word Khand is a pure Sanskrit word meaning ‘part’.My point here is that it was established by hindu Rohillas,most ,rather almost all of whome, embaraced Islam.It is well documented that these Muslim Rohillas had migrated from Roh in Afghanistan.This made me ‘assume’ that I am a part of this community.
I donot remember having mentioned anywhere that most Rohillas didnot convert to Islam ‘rightly so’.If I have,I ve sinned cause I am no one to decide what faith other ppl follow.
I sincerely thank you for your comments and shall take em into reckoning in my understanding of the history of my ppl.I hope you will keep posting whatever you know on the topic.
@Capt Rsja Fahad Parvez Janjua
will you plz clarify what is it that the Indians donot accept?Who are you refering to as the undoubted janjua?

]]> By: CAPT RAJA FAHAD PERVEZ JANJUA http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-22296 CAPT RAJA FAHAD PERVEZ JANJUA Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:15:33 +0000 http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-22296 yeah u r rite man these indians will never going to accept it but ur rite bro he is no doubt related to janjua clan i have done a great research on janjua and rajputh clan ur rite SO BUCK UP RAJPUTHS BUCK UP JANJUAS yeah u r rite man these indians will never going to accept it but ur rite bro
he is no doubt related to janjua clan
i have done a great research on janjua and rajputh clan
ur rite
SO BUCK UP RAJPUTHS BUCK UP JANJUAS

]]> By: JS JANJUA http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-22072 JS JANJUA Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:57:20 +0000 http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-22072 VERY GOOD! PROUD JANJUA'S! THAT IS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT,BE BRAVE AND STRONG BUT ABOVE ALL BE WARRIORS OF GOD VERY GOOD! PROUD JANJUA’S! THAT IS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT,BE BRAVE AND STRONG BUT ABOVE ALL BE WARRIORS OF GOD

]]> By: Raja Atif Janjua http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-21651 Raja Atif Janjua Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:35:44 +0000 http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-21651 I am a Janjua Rajput my name is Raja Atif Janjua my father garand father was in pakistani army and father was in police i recust for u oblise a janjua familes and show janjua cultur and roles in junjua comunity in this web. I am a Janjua Rajput my name is Raja Atif Janjua my father garand father was in pakistani army and father was in police i recust for u oblise a janjua familes and show janjua cultur and roles in junjua comunity in this web.

]]> By: Sheer e Janjua http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-5407 Sheer e Janjua Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:55:08 +0000 http://www.sheetudeep.com/blog/general/shahrukh-and-i-are-related/#comment-5407 I also think your a little confused about Rohilla origins. Rohilla was a term referred to all Pashtun Highlanders of Afghanistan at one stage in history. The current Afghan tribe of Rohilla Pathans are in fact a sub tribe of the famous Yusufzai Pashtun tribe. It has been alluded (but to no proved effect) that they ''may'' be related to the Rohillas of India, but this found no grounding and was rejected as quickly as it was mentioned. You mention on one Rohilla talk group that some converted to Islam out of the Rohillas but most didnt and ''rightly so''. Im afraid if your thinking that you are related to the Afghan Yusufzais, you are in for shocking surprise as I know many Yusufzai's and their chiefs and they openly state that the Rohilla Pashtuns are just named as such, and bare no relation to you. Rohilla pathans also claim the same origin and disclaim your claim (which as stated above was disproven very early on) For more info see; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohilla I also think your a little confused about Rohilla origins. Rohilla was a term referred to all Pashtun Highlanders of Afghanistan at one stage in history. The current Afghan tribe of Rohilla Pathans are in fact a sub tribe of the famous Yusufzai Pashtun tribe.

It has been alluded (but to no proved effect) that they ”may” be related to the Rohillas of India, but this found no grounding and was rejected as quickly as it was mentioned.

You mention on one Rohilla talk group that some converted to Islam out of the Rohillas but most didnt and ”rightly so”. Im afraid if your thinking that you are related to the Afghan Yusufzais, you are in for shocking surprise as I know many Yusufzai’s and their chiefs and they openly state that the Rohilla Pashtuns are just named as such, and bare no relation to you. Rohilla pathans also claim the same origin and disclaim your claim (which as stated above was disproven very early on)

For more info see;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohilla

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